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For Happyfest II at [livejournal.com profile] bringthehappy there were 441 prompts. 441 is the square of one lucky prime times the square of another lucky prime. And in this case "lucky prime" not only refers to the specific mathematical term - they both happen to be numbers that are often considered to be lucky.

I have GOT to go back to school. Because I am NOT THIS SMART, I'm just BORED.

Date: 2008-08-28 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
nothing wrong with being bored. What are the lucky primes?

Date: 2008-08-28 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
3 and 7. 3 x 3 x 7 x 7 = 441. Which actually, come to think of it, is also 21 x 21, and if you gamble that's a lucky number too, just not a lucky prime!

Date: 2008-08-28 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
Interesting. What makes 3 and 7 lucky?

Date: 2008-08-28 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustydog.livejournal.com
My parents always told me it was because of a three-in-one god and that 7 was "God's number" - probably because it came up so much in the Bible, though on that reasoning I don't see why 12 wouldn't be lucky. That was also why 6 was supposed to be unlucky, because it was associated with the devil. So I suppose it just depends on people's personal idea of why a number is lucky!

In Chinese, numbers are lucky or unlucky based on the way they're pronounced and what other words that syllable sounds like. So four ("si") is similar to death ("si") and you should never give someone four of something as a wedding present!

Date: 2008-08-28 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
In Hebrew numbers are written out using letters (Aleph=A=1) so numbers sometimes spell out words. That's why 18 is so special because 18= chai= life. for years and years and years it was the defacto amount to give as a present for a bar/bat mitvah or wedding (now its usually 36 which is considered 'double chai, even though that's bogus)

so 3= god, the son, and the holy spirit and 7 = days of week and whatnot? I can see that

sooo... death isn't a good present. I'll have to remember that

Date: 2008-08-28 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustydog.livejournal.com
Ooh, I had heard there was a lot going on with numerology and Hebrew, but I didn't know anything specific. That's neat!

death isn't a good present. I'll have to remember that

Hee. Just if it's a Chinese family, I think. If we couldn't give 4 place settings as wedding gifts to most couples around here, we'd be quite at a loss!

Date: 2008-08-28 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
the weird thing is not all letters are used as numbers. You can get quite mystical and whatnot with it.

Go with service for 5. be a rebel

Date: 2008-08-28 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
I knew a little about how that worked with Hebrew and numbers, but I actually probably learned the most watching the movie Pi. :D

Date: 2008-08-28 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
Don't even ask me to get into the mathematical term, I swear it's partly arbitrary. But lots of people over the years have considered 3 and or 7 to be lucky. I think it's pretty much because people want to have lucky numbers, but if you ask them for a reason they'll usually point to Biblical examples. If they're Westerners. Eastern cultures are more likely to point to the similarity between the sound of a number and the sound of a particular word.

OK, I like Rusty's answer better. She said the same thing, but I sound like an "I'm above all this" ass.
Edited Date: 2008-08-28 03:12 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-28 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
you don't sound like that at all. It most likely is arbitary

Date: 2008-08-28 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
Thank you. My problem is that I know I come across badly like that at times because people have explained it to me, but I can't always see it very well. So I overcompensate.

Date: 2008-08-28 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
internet is harder because you can't see mannerisms or tone or facial expressions so sometimes things might come across in a way unintended. I over compensate too a lot due to that I think

Date: 2008-08-28 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_medley_/
We've got luck, we've got happiness, sounds like a win. And you're an adorable dork. *nods*

Date: 2008-08-28 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
Awww, shucks. *blush*

But yes, Happyfest II is full of win already and it's barely even started!

Date: 2008-08-28 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustydog.livejournal.com
It is so cool that you noticed that! Yay numbers.

Heh, the first thing that came to my mind when you said "two numbers that are considered lucky" was "7 and 13." I forget that a lot of people consider 13 unlucky. I love it!

Date: 2008-08-28 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix64.livejournal.com
I know it's lucky to some cultures and people, but I'll just leave it be, thank you very much.

My favorite numbers, I wouldn't necessarily call them lucky numbers, are 8 and 64. 8 because it's basically the same as the symbol for infinity, which would make 64 infinity squared. And I love the impossible task of trying to wrap my mind around the idea of infinity squared.

(I actually got into an argument about that once (online, of course) with someone who told me I was just wrong since the number eight didn't really have anything to do with infinity or the symbol for infinity. Uh, I'm sorry your mind doesn't have that much flex to it, but how can my personal symbolism be right or wrong? It's like asking someone to logically justify their color preferences.)

Date: 2008-08-28 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustydog.livejournal.com
how can my personal symbolism be right or wrong? It's like asking someone to logically justify their color preferences

No, your preference is factually wrong! ::eyeroll:: Silly person. Your reasoning for liking 8 and 64 makes sense to me. :)

I don't consider any numbers lucky or unlucky myself, but I definitely have numbers I like or dislike, and there seems to be a system to it but it's not based on anything logical - one number makes me feel good and another feels wrong. It's weird.

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